Is there a way to introduce and sustain a division of romance titles specifically for the untapped male audience? Maybe it can't be called "Romance". The mere effort would generate a lot of publicity, and women readers might buy them for men. Jeff

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I'm based in France, so the name of 'homme-rom' springs to mind!! 

The industry tried that a few years ago but it didn't fly. It's the same romance as we traditionally know. Only the stories are told from the male POV rather than female. If not that, then it's gay romance and there's already a huge market for that.

I love Stephanie's Homme-Rom! Good one!!

I didn't know that, Kemberlee.

I always have male POV in my romances or any fiction that I write. Writing from the male's point of view is something I always look for as a reader. 

I think I mentioned before there are certain authors that male and female readers gravitate toward. Sherrilyn Kenyon, Angela Knight and Deidre Knight are three authors who have shown appeal for male readers.

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Tambra

Ellora's Cave has been in trouble for a while. Their top woman left to start Samhain Publishing and Ellora's Cave started falling apart. They really shot themselves in the foot with the lifetime contract. Authors want out of the company and can't pull their books because of that clause.

Ellora's Cave has also been known in the business as an erotica publisher. They had a side business called Cerridwen Press that didn't do well because they didn't run it as well as EC. It failed and the few authors were brought into EC under a new line called Blush. As with CP, Blush really isn't pushed as much as the erotica lines are. EC also had a fantasy/sci fi line that no one knew about, which has been brought in under the EC brand.

EC is still in the top position in the erotica publishing ranks, but Samhain Publishing is right up there with them battling for #1. Not surprising since Samhain's owner learned everything from her time at EC.

Looking at the list of small press romance publishers, it's hard to chose one that's truly romance and not focusing on erotica or erotic romance. But, the demarkation lines have been shifting the last 15 years and yesterday's erotica is today's romance. So really, it's whatever one's preferences are and what they call the books they read.

Thanks for that info. It's always interesting to find out the background of publishing companies.

I can't speak for all of them. Really I can't speak for any of them! But I've been in and around digital publishing for about 15 years now. I've seen it from most angles by now.

I'm personally writing what I would term "erotica" in a novel with an overall theme that is neither erotica nor "romance."  What would you term a novel that just has a lot of detailed, steamy sex?  Certainly not "romance!"

 

Hi Ronald,

I can't say without looking at it, but if you have a story where you can take out the sex scenes and still have a story, then that's your genre. If you add sex into it, is it gratuitous sex and/or just add word count? Or is it part of character development and/or does it help move the story along?

Romance doesn't have to have sex in it to be a romance. Romance with sex in it needs that sex to for character development and/or as a vehicle to move the story along. If it's graphic sex . . . really graphic sex . . . that moves the romance closer to 'erotic romance', aka Romantica or Erotomance.

Erotica, on the other hand, is treated the same as romance . . . if you take out the story and you're just left with the sex, is it really good sex? Or does it need the romance story to support the sex?

A lot of pure erotica these days are sort of 'meet and greet' stories . . . a woman walks into a situation, spots a guy, says "I want to do you three ways from Sunday" and off they go and do it. Often in the closest private space possible. Similarly, if the story is from the male POV, he might do the same thing. These 'meet and greet' stories are also often just referred to as F**k stories. Purely meant to excite the reader. Romance can excite the reader like that too, but there's a lot of emotional build up before the sex scene that woman want to read. Men prefer the other. They don't want all the flowers and pretty talk. They want action. Woman want flowers and pretty talk. THEN they want action ;-)

Are you having a difficult time categorizing your work?

Not really trying to catagorize this one Kemberlee but thanks for the post.  I was merely responding to a query by Jeff.  My book needs no catagorization; it's about a lot of people meeting on the vast array of Internet dating sites and, many, hooking up and doing it as you say three ways from Sunday.  But in mine, they leech over into the next week, month even.  It's not gratuitous sex but I believe a needed part of the story to emphasize how some of my characters, in a certain age range, are pressed for sex, and some pressed merely for companionship.  In the process of search, however, many are just PRESSED, some with passion, some agressively, most satisfactorily.

There's a story in there somewhere!  LOL  I'm just watching and amusing at what some of these people will do.  AND there are some real serious relationships developed in the end; marriages, etc.  I'm almost finished, by the way.  Expected to finish by April 28th and after 19 days of continuous writing, am well ahead of schedule.

 

Having a category will help you sell your book. Defining your target audience will help you with that. When you get ready to pubish, assuming you're self publishing and publishing through Kindle/Amazon, you'll need to have at least two firm categories in which to slot your book so readers can find you.

Good luck with meeting your target end date. Don't overdo it. 19 days continuous writing is hard. Be ware of brick walls ;-) I'm sure you'll be fine though. You have the motivation.

Yes Kemberlee I DO catagorize them per the instructions with Kindle etc. but only out of necessity.  When I'm writing, I just WRITE.

Some of the traditional brands have crossed into erotica, and many (maybe most) covers are erotic. But the term erotica sounds feminine, whereas porn sounds masculine. I suggest that men won't buy books classified as romance, and may not even buy books classified as erotica, but will buy books classified as porn. Is there evidence one way or the other?

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